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FATHER-IN-LAW SUSPENDED FOR GIVING DOWRY. 
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Hi All,

Another person found another innovative method. Forget DP3 and associated counter cases. Was your FIL/ MIL a government employee. He claims that he gave dowry. He can be suspended for doing so. And if retired, his pension can be stopped.

Remember: If you have a dollar and I have a dollar, we swap, no one is richer. You have an idea and I have an idea, we swap, we both have two ideas each.

These lovely 498-A wives and their families think, so many have surrendered, how much chance these poor fellows have when we have law on our side. But honey, I AIN'T MUCH, BUT I AM ALL I HAVE GOT. I won't let go untill the aim is achieved. And honey, now my aim is vanquishing you and your intelligent family.

Don't miss pgportal.gov.in

I won't take much of the time. I am quoting the relevant experince below:

> Guys,
>
> One good achievement and would recommend specially to those whose FIL or
> MIL or BIL or SIL or Wife are / were Government employees , still working or
> retired.
>
> When I say government employees that mean all Government Employees (
> Central, State, PSU, National Bank etc etc )
>
> In my case 498A read with DP 3/4 my In-Laws in FIR claimed huge dowry and
> marriage expenses.
>
> Not thinking much with in week I filled TEP against my FIL , MIL and Wife
> and got favorable reply as expected.
>
> Same TEP is changed and converted to Application for Corruption.
>
> **** Best Practice : Be nostalgic and think with peg of scotch what all
> your FIL/MIL/SIL/BIL/his uncle/ aunti told about their
> financial status to impress and match your family status during marriage
> talks were on.
> Discuss with your mom and dad/ relative those present and try to dig the
> info.
> Jot down all the financial details / moveable and immovable. Try to collect
> the address of immovable property.
>
> This took 15 days for me to do.
>
> I prepared separate applications under Anti Corruption Act and non adhering
> to Code of conduct by Govt. Servant,
> jotting all the financial details for my FIL and MIL, along with FIR copy,
> their statement in Charge sheet, reply from RTI Income tax and sent by Speed
> post to:
>
> There were in total 24 applications.
>
> 1. Chief Minister
> 2. Secretary to Chief Minister
> 3. Minister to respective departments.
> 4. All the mentioned Secretary to Minister of respective Departments
> 5. Their respective Department Vigilance Officer/ Director.
> 6. State Anti-corruption Bureau - Director
> 7. District Anti Corruption Bureau
> 8. Zone Anti Corruption Bureau
> 9. Their Immediate Supervisor
> 10. Their Department district Head.
> 11. their Department Regional Head.
> 12. their Department State Head
>
> 15 days later I filled RTI . RTI reply returned no private action, enquiry
> need to be initiated by Department only.
>
> I marked dates for 1 month in Yahoo Calendar and hibernated.
>
> Post 1 month when calendar gave alert. I went to PG Portal
> www.pgportal.gov.in and raised 24 separate grievance for all departments
> not taking action copy pasting the same application.
>
> So it took 4 months for Grand Canon to move and make a first Shoot and
> finally Secretary to Chief Minister ordered Departmental Enquiry against MIL
> and FIL.
>
> People from Anti corruption Police Department reached their houses for
> Financial details and their statements.
> They reached us for our statement and we gave them solid proofs and also
> escorted to their properties . They have to fill the report to in Chief
> Minister Office in next 1 months.
>
> If convicted they will be suspended from Govt. Job, loose pension plus
> criminal case under Anti Corruption act goes against them specially when
> they are about to retire.
>
> What this cost me , in other words what I lost :
>
> 1. Internet research finding address of all departments - 5 days
> 2. Few Phone calls to RTI activist of the state/region to get the address
> what were not available on Internet. - 2 days
> 3. Preparing of Application : 2 hours
> 3. Will and patience.
> 4. Rs. 2000 toward cost of (1 RIM of copier paper + toner + speed post and
> RTI fees + phone calls).
> 5. My valuable time.
>
> So, I would recommend all the fellow SIF Member go ahead and and write back
> to respective FIL/MIL/BIL/SIL departments and other I mentioned.
> Make extensive use of RTI and pgportal.gov.in.
>
> Remember God help those who help them selves.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> warm regards,
> Deepak

Deepak can be contacted at demand2000@live.in

Warm Regards,

Shonee Kapoor

MERE SEENE MEIN NAHI TO TERE SEENE MEIN SAHI
HO KAHIN BHI AAG, LEKIN AAG JALNI CHAHIYE.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:09 pm
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For those who think that it can be done in a hurry with overnight results. My apologies. It took 4 months of continuous filing, following and so on for this guy to reach this stage.

So bear in mind, the journey is going to be long and torturous.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:18 pm
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Shot in the Arm. Thank you for the tip. My FIL is an employee with a Nationalized bank. I found a way to submit RTI's from overseas. I contacted yourmaninIndia.com and they will update me on this and the fees they will charge. They sent a person to the Police and also to the Passport office to figure out if they can submit signed RTI's on behalf of us and I should know by end of today.

I am expecting the cost to be around 5 to 10 $$$ per application. I will update the details, once this line is cleared, will get cracking on the tips posted. Like as Shonee had said, forget about the results, Just do the work. Leave the results to the Almighty.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:45 pm
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Awesome. What a day. I also fired the first bullet today as part of my counter-strategy. That guys is awesome. Somebody should invite him to this forum and maybe he can guide us on this.

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:02 pm
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This is awesome news.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:04 pm
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GOOD GOD!

WHY AM I BEING SO SELFISH. I HAVE ALWAYS SHARED MY PETITIONS/ APPLICATIONS, BUT THIS TIME PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

I GOT SOME DOCUMENTS WITH A CLAUSE NOT TO BE FORWARDED. PLEASE LET ME AMEND THEM SUITABLY FOR MY USE, THEN I CAN FORWARD IT.

REGARDS,

SHONEE KAPOOR

PS: THIS GUY IS AWESOME.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:20 pm
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Apart from the diamond-studded tip on getting back at govt-employee FIL, what one should admire about Deepak is the thorough work he did to maximize chances of success. He sent 24 applications while most people are mentally lazy even to think of sending one. Another path breaker for any kind of sufferer (not just for 498A victim). The lesson is: No matter what you do in life, do it well.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:20 pm
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I could not agree more with HoD,

To quote Jessie Rittenhouse:

I bargained with Life for a penny,
And Life would pay no more,
However I begged at evening,
When I counted my scanty store;

For Life is just a employer,
He gives what you ask for,
But, once you set the wages,
Why, you must bear the task;

I worked for a menial's hire,
Only to learn dismayed,
That any wage I had asked for life,
Life would have payed.


Go out and demand what life has to offer you.


Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:44 pm
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Hi shoneek,
Can a retired central govt employee (FIL) too face music by suspension for giving dowry ? I would like to to know what can you do to a retired central govt employee. He has accepted to giving dowry. He has also accepted to not filed assets & liabilities to his dept (RBI) and need not do !!! Can he be fixed even after retirement???


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hemant wrote:
Hi shoneek,
Can a retired central govt employee (FIL) too face music by suspension for giving dowry ? I would like to to know what can you do to a retired central govt employee. He has accepted to giving dowry. He has also accepted to not filed assets & liabilities to his dept (RBI) and need not do !!! Can he be fixed even after retirement???


since FIL has retired his pension can be stopped


Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:00 pm
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How to keep this kind of very good news in confidential to 498a brootherhood only. I am afraid trumpeting this kind of invaluable message will alert and educate the evils. Do we need to come up with more innovative methods of sharing "VERY GOOD" news.

FIL : What goes around comes around!

So one more tactics : Whoever got dowry (take it easy guys!) keep the jewels and money with you , Don't simply handover to the girls side expecting 498a threat. Let the FIL make a claim to get it back and let be caught!!.

Thanks.


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I opened an another one, asking them to explain whether it is an allegation or a confession.


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Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:38 am
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Bravo,

I disagree. I am of the opinion that every success story should be publicized to let the 498-A misusers know of the dangers that lay ahead.

This would also prevent some new 498-As.

Regards,
Shonee


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aahh...


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Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:55 pm
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Hi,
Please send to me your application and complaints which you sent for my & other's references.
My email id is mukesh311276@gmail.com

Mukesh Soni
Siff amb helpline
9899005482


Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:47 am
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Hi, shoneek

Please send to me your application & complaint bvoz my applications are almost ready and i want to take references from you.

no loop holes should be there

Mukesh Soni


Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:56 am
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Contact Mr. Deepak, his email ID is given above.


Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:06 am
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Can we file this complaint also on the Gal's side witnesses who are govt emploees and one of them retired? Pls advice.


Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:07 am
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Can we file this complaint also on the Gal's side witnesses who are govt emploees and one of them retired? Pls advice.


Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:08 am
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Is there any claim that he gave dowry?


Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:36 am
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No.. but they claimed in their statments that my FIL has given dowry in their presence ..and being Govt employees they are in full knowledge of dowry being given and didnt try to stop it. So not sure if it comes under "abeting" the dowry for Dp3 or atleast qualifies for the breach of Govt employees' code of conduct...

Thanks..


Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:33 pm
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shonee,

can you please forward the documents after suitable amendment. It will be a great help for me in this regard.

my mail id is: 498fighter@gmail.com

Thank you.


Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:19 pm
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I don't have any documents.

I have provided the email ID of the concerned person.


Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:05 pm
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Dear All,

This is a full proof method, to let the punch feel on the other side.
If it is applied after DP-3, it will have additional impact.
I have also adopted the same procedure and Departmental Inquiry has been established against the Chacha (Asstt. Professor in a Govt. College) of the 498a wife.
Inquiry against the Foofa (Asstt Engineer in Water Resources Department) of the 498a wife is also likely to begin any time.


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Neeraj,

Good going...

can I get your e-mail id? wanted to get in touch wid u regardin the same...


Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:12 am
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Then where are U sleeping, include them in the list of accused persons in ur application for DP-3
and once the FIR is registered, send copies of the complaint and order of the court and copy of FIR to their respective offices, things will start moving against then. All such persons are covered under, "Abetment to the giving or taking of Dowry"

Remember, "The CC Conduct Rules further clarify that, "Any violation of the provision of Dowry prohibition Act, 1961 by a Government servant will constitute a good and sufficient reason for institution disciplinary proceedings against him in addition to such legal action as may be taken against him in accordance with the provisions of the Dowry Prohibition Act."



new498Victim wrote:
No.. but they claimed in their statments that my FIL has given dowry in their presence ..and being Govt employees they are in full knowledge of dowry being given and didnt try to stop it. So not sure if it comes under "abeting" the dowry for Dp3 or atleast qualifies for the breach of Govt employees' code of conduct...

Thanks..


Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:35 am
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shoneek / poppinder and others....

my wife is govt employee, and dowry list contains only furniture and a few gold rings and not much. can dp3 or any other counter case is advisable ? keepinig in mind they have not charged me of and dp only 498a, 406, 323, 506, 307, 34. if husband slap dp3 dont he himself get in trap too for taking dowry?


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Dear Friend,

U need to study the contents of FIR carefully. Giving dowry can be applied even for petty items also.


Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:27 am
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Can U explain why 307 is applied in the FIR. What is the allegation ?


Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:55 am
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First, hi and salute to each and every fighter!

Question for Shonee and others,

FIL is a government employee (soon to be retired), has done lot of lochebaazi for sure. Boasts/boasted a lot about properties (we don't know addresses), illegal construction in government-kind housing in delhi...have such a boastful girl's bio-data sent by him via email (that mentions girl's salary at the time as well, btw).

Most important, lots of threats but no case yet so have to tread carefully.

1) Can an anonymous RTI be filed to gather information from his department like salary etc. (just to be forearmed) w/o his knowledge?
2) What can be done to find out about properties(plots) if you know they are in a particular area?

Thank you very much guys. Can't imagine the horrors one might go through in the absence of such shared knowledge/wisdom.
V


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Can someone please respond to my previous post particularly re: using anonymous RTI to get information from FIL's department?

Thanks


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Dear Vishal

RTI is never sent unanimously.
U need to declare your identity. Otherwise also, if you don't have dare to file RTI to seek information about your father-in-law in your own name, then better compromise the matter, pay a hefty amount and forget fighting.
This forum is only for the young individuals you wish to fight out their false cases and not a fit place for cowards,


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Very Very Happy to see this, My FIL/MIL/Wife all re Govt employee

Time come to taste the same poison which i taste for u...............


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neerajkaushik wrote:
Dear Vishal

RTI is never sent unanimously.
U need to declare your identity. Otherwise also, if you don't have dare to file RTI to seek information about your father-in-law in your own name, then better compromise the matter, pay a hefty amount and forget fighting.
This forum is only for the young individuals you wish to fight out their false cases and not a fit place for cowards,

So many ppl prefer to file RTI while not coming to picture, reasons may be various................strategy is not bad, nor shud they be called cowards.
RTI allows anybody to seek info. Better if info is sought by another unrelated fellow+ info shud look like a generalized one.
Ask ur friend from a distant city or seek info in some hypothetical name. Give the address of a lawyer's chamber if need be.
gal


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neerajkaushik,

Although you did not extend me much courtesy but I'd still give you the benefit of doubt assuming you were one aggrieved soul when you typed your "helpful" post.

Anyways, points:
a) it looks like you really don't understand the difference between unanimous and anonymous, no wonder concept of anonymous RTI was lost on you,
b) boy and girl are still living together, threats are not direct but veiled and there is a possibility of reconciliation. If not that then may be MCD so now why would anyone rock the boat by himself at this stage?
c) FIL is going to be retired in few months and the gist of the question was that once retired, it might be difficult (?) to obtain information from his department so shouldn't we file RTI through a friend (from a different city where FIL was previously posted) to have some ammo if and when battle begins. And whether departments would release public domain information to a third-party w/o revealing say, a direct connection e.g. FIR copy etc ?
d) though not much relevant, its not my FIL but my bro's FIL

Finally, in principle, I do not respond to trolls on the forums in general but since I need answers to my questions and your post kind of misrepresented my questions so I had to reply to it. May be your purpose of life was served by mocking me and feeling young and brave about yourself but it certainly ain't my calling in life buddy. God bless.

neerajkaushik wrote:
Dear Vishal

RTI is never sent unanimously.
U need to declare your identity. Otherwise also, if you don't have dare to file RTI to seek information about your father-in-law in your own name, then better compromise the matter, pay a hefty amount and forget fighting.
This forum is only for the young individuals you wish to fight out their false cases and not a fit place for cowards,


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Hi all,

Thank you for this. I think, I can very well use this weapon! :)

Before that I just want to check with you:-

1. That woman has stated in her DV affidavit that her father gave us certain amount as dowry as a DD. Actually, that guy gave the DD in favour of her daughter's name, but I never received/used that fund. In fact, she encashed that amount in her account. But she did not disclose that in her affidavit but she has just said that dowry in the form of DD was given to me by her father. Can I use this weapon in this scenario? My thinking is her father could later say that he was never aware of what his daughter gave in the affidavit.

2. She has now filed an IA for return of articles and she has listed several articles worth of 10 lacs said to be in my custody which is not at all true. I was willing to give the jewels presented to me but she has denied that none of our jewels are with her. In fact, she is in possession of 4 times worth of what they presented to me.

Kindly let me know what I should do.

Thank you.


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My FIL claimed that he has given me Rs. 150000/- as dowry in 2004. He was employed in Western Coalfield Ltd. ( A subsidiary of coal india ltd.) Now he is retired in April 2013. Can I stop his pention? if yes please then what is the step by step procedure?


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Central Civil Services (Conduct) Rules, 1964

please find below the url for the rules, Look for section 13A for dowry related rules for Government employees .... Thanks Shonee bhai for directing us this way.


http://www.persmin.gov.in/DOPT/Employee ... ils.htm#02. Definitions


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my FIL is a central govt. employee and he has accepted giving dowry in FIR. Charge-sheet is yet to filed by police and divorce case(filed by me) is in progress as well. Can someone help share ideas on how to initiate the departmental action him for giving/abetting dowry ?

Also do you guys think if filing an FIR((DP act for giving dowry) first with police will help in taking action?


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