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Dear Fellow Victims,

As you all are aware that my Father-out-law has been issued notice from Income Tax Department. Hence two cases has opened against him for expenses claimed in 2004-05 and 2005-06. The case is on trial and as yet he has been able to produce only two people who admitted to have helped him with small sums of money.

When I checked yesterday, during my court date in that city. I came to know that his trial is being delayed as he keeps on sending medical certificates and all such things to delay the case.

31-12-2010 is the D day, till then the IT has to claim Income Tax/ get enough people to testify and account for such money/ pay Income Tax with 300% penalty.

For last 2 years, I am on the heels to start any inquiry against anyone who testifies to have helped him/ file other cases.

So far so good.

Need your continuing suggestions, wishes and blessings.

Regards,

Shonee Kapoor


Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:35 am
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Good luck Shonee-Bhai, the government machinery when it works for you is a awesome sight to watch.

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Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:38 am
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The case is on trial and as yet he has been able to produce only two people who admitted to have helped him with small sums of money
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did they provide any proof that they have lend the money to ur FIL like bank transaction or they have stamp paper or if they just verbaly said did the court beleive them.

Another doubt, if a NRI spends large amount of money for marriage will he face any problem from IT as the money earned is tax free. The question can we file TEP against NRI inlaws and will that be any effect on them????


Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:39 pm
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Paul,

If they say they helped with more than 25K INR, it has to be through an instrument and a loan paper, otherwise a file for them opens in the Income Tax department. By that degree my Father-out-law would need to bring 52 witnessess who testify to have helped him.

I am not part of this process, hence not aware, I have filed an RTI though to get more details.

Regards,

Shonee Kapoor


Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:13 am
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nice to hear this shonee bhai..keep going you are the inspiration to many of us..

am also in process to nicely screw my in-laws for alleged 45lacks of dowry..FOL (F.out law) does not even have a PAN number.

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Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:35 pm
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is it possible to find a pan no. online only with name if we dont know any other detail like date of birth.
or can we get from any other sources like IT by only providing the name of the person


Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:46 pm
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Paul,

Just some sermonising, please don't mind.

Question: What does a person do, when he is in a problem and needs to complain?

Answer: He complains with the available problem and facts.

Example: You have been hit by a Blue Car bearing registration no. DL-3C (rest you could not note). Would you first go on finding who the owner of the car was? Who was driving?

The right thing would be to complain that a Blue Santro Car, bearing a Delhi License no. hit me.

It is the same with Income Tax department. You complain that Mr. XYZ staying at such address is guilty of Tax Evasion. The address falls in your jurisdiction and hence you have the authroity to investigate. However, if the assessee is Income Tax Payee in some other ward, please investigate using central database under 5(1) of RTI Act read with 5 (4) and 5 (5) of the RTI Act

Now, if he is a assessee in his ward, he would investigate. Otherwise would forward the complaint to the respective officer.

Regards,

Shonee Kapoor

PS: Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, it is knowing a way to finding all the answers.


Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:24 am
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thats true shoneek


Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:58 am
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Great explaination Shoneeji


Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:26 pm
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paulrajforum wrote:
is it possible to find a pan no. online only with name if we dont know any other detail like date of birth.
or can we get from any other sources like IT by only providing the name of the person

One friend of mine tracked down the PAN details with the help of a Chartered Accountant. Why don't you try that option ?

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TEP has been successful. income tax and C.A.'s fee etc. to the girl's father's account is Rs. 7 lakhs.


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who told u about this @ganeshrao ?


Sat May 23, 2015 11:38 am
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it is my own case. have a letter from tax dept. about tax collected from the persons.


Sat May 23, 2015 12:41 pm
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so how much tax was collected in ur case ? who told u about the CA fee and all ?


Sat May 23, 2015 4:24 pm
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also post some more detail about ur case, how long did it take ? did u appeal with CIC ? what did u ask in the RTIs after filing tep ?


Sat May 23, 2015 4:27 pm
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Rs. 4 lakhs tax collected. Rest is C.A.'s fee. It is common knowledge how much the C.A. would collect in these cases.
TEP filed in 2011 based on 498A complaint. Cited sec. 68,69 of income tax Act. Then waited for witnesses to give evidence on oath. Filed the evidence with tax dept. made another TEP in 2013 in name of other accused. After three months, made RTI to know status of action on TEP. Rejected.
Made first appeal, rejected. Made second appeal to CIC. Appeal heard in CIC in January, 2014 and directed to inform outcome to applicant of RTI.

Meanwhile opp. Party managed to stall inquiry, may be thru under hand deals. Moved appropriate forums to ensure inquiry progresses. Finally ITO had no option but to continue the inquiry. And that resulted in levy and collection of the said tax. This is not end. I have some other options to have more tax paid and am pursuing the options.

Total time taken is four years.


Sat May 23, 2015 5:12 pm
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thanks so much mate. what are the other forums you approached to make sure the enquiry continues ?

also which other options are you trying now ? did u file TEP in delhi ?


Sat May 23, 2015 6:11 pm
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This TEP is in south India. Other options, I would reveal after getting thru in the attempts.


Sun May 24, 2015 6:28 am
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what questions did u ask in RTI after decision of CIC ?


Sun May 24, 2015 8:07 am
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In RTI to PIO , first appellate authority and CIC only one question, what action is taken on the information provided in the TEP. For that the ITO has to see the earlier returns, income, contents of TEP, arrive at a reasonable conclusion that there may be more income than reported, cause inquiries , follow the department's procedures and raise tax demand and collect the tax. After tax collection, penalty proceedings have to follow. And punishment proceedings too. The C.A.'s fee depends on the amount reported in the TEP.


Sun May 24, 2015 11:30 pm
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ok great, so sum it up, you simply asked :

What is the action taken on the information provided in the TEP ? can you please post the exact question(s) you asked.


Mon May 25, 2015 1:39 pm
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Simple question---"what action is taken on the information provided in the TEP".
The amounts claimed by the opp. Parties as dowry etc. has an impact, the higher the claim, the greater
the impact would be.


Mon May 25, 2015 9:48 pm
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Did you get any reward back from Income Tax on the TEP amount collected from opposite party?


Tue May 26, 2015 3:53 am
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did u get a reward from the IT department ?


Sat May 30, 2015 2:10 pm
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NO.
I inquired from an officer of the dept. He said it is given only in case of search and seizure. Not sure. Making further inquiries. Would be sending letter to dept. shortly.


Sat May 30, 2015 6:33 pm
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well, in every case where some tax is collected, reward is given.. write to the Directorate of Income Tax (Invetigation)..


Sun May 31, 2015 8:13 am
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Thanks. I will write to them as also the I.T.O. who did the scrutiny and assessment. Will post their reply.


Sun May 31, 2015 9:55 am
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bro i asked about the reward from my ITO who did the assessment, he replied saying "does not pertain to this ward".. so no point..

write to the DIT and attach the reply of the ITO in which tax has been demanded, then DIT will order for your reward..


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sent letter to ITO and Director General of Income tax [investigation] to pay 20% of tax recovered due to providing information thru TEP. it is just 10 days. have to wait and see what reply they would send.


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thanks ganesh. do post the treply from DIT.

also, is the 20% confirmed ?


Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:32 am
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I. Do not know the percentage. Just put it at 20% because in case of customs and excise it is 20%.


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